Universalists and Cognitive Dissonance

Have you ever notice how universalists can’t help but change the topic when confronted with Scriptural facts which contradict their beliefs?

When universalists run smack dab into facts contrary to their cherished beliefs, like Yahweh’s promise to Abraham concerned physical seed, through his son, Isaac, not spiritual sperma, as so many universalists would like others to believe, cognitive dissonance sets in.

Universalists simply can not accept the clear teaching of Scripture concerning the Old Covenant – made with the Israelites – and the New Covenant, made with the same Isralites with which the Old Covenant was made.

Despite what universalists claim, Yahweh did not change His mind from the Old Testament when He provided the New Testament.

Universalists think Yahweh made a mistake in the Old Testament by prohibiting fornication or race mixing. They believe Yahweh is wrong for hating Esau, Malachi 1:2, for, among other issues, Esau’s race mixing with the two Hittite women and thus despising his birthright.

Race mixing (fornication) was prohibited in the OT and is still prohibited in the NT. See Romans 1:29; I Corinthian 10:8 (referring to when 23,000 Israelites fell in one day when they fornicated with the Moabite women in Numbers 24, 25);  Galatians 5:19; Jude 7, etc.

If race mixing is evil in the sight of Yahweh, why would Yahshua send his disciples to preach the gospel promised to the seed of Abraham to non-Israelites?

The answer is, He didn’t.

He sent the disciples to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 10:
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Universalists has Yahweh/Yahshua changing His mind quite often. For example, Yahshua allegedly changed his command between Matthew 10 and Matthew 28:

19, Therefore going you instruct all of the Nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20, teaching them to keep all things whatever I have commanded to you. And behold, I am with you all the days until the consummation of the age!” (CNT)

It is those same nations of Matthew 10 that are spoken of in Matthew 28:19.

It is those same nations of Matthew 15 that are spoken of in Matthew 28:19.

Matthew 15:

24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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9 Responses to Universalists and Cognitive Dissonance

  1. What type of Universalism are you talking about? Universalism as in where one day everyone eventually, even those who have to die the second death, will be saved? Or Universalism as in that salvation in the Messiah is open to everyone, and all can be a part of God’s people even though they aren’t biological Israel?

    • keruxreplies says:

      Or Universalism as in that salvation in the Messiah is open to everyone, and all can be a part of God’s people even though they aren’t biological Israel.

      • So now you want to help Satan by creating another damn denomination based off of picking and choosing Scripture and giving a twisted exegesis, leaving logic and reason out of it, and choosing an immoral doctrine?

      • What you do not understand is that Yeshua was to first proclaim the Good News only to Israel, mainly the House of Judah in the Land of Judea. His mission to the Gentiles was to happen after he was rejected by the majority of his people in the Land and be crucified. It was then that after that he would draw all men to himself.

        Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,>>> I will draw all to Myself.<<>>I will also give You for a light of the nations, that You may be My salvation to the end of the earth.<<>>and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called,<<>>the stranger,<<>>all people.<<>>Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.<<>>among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen,<<>>all the nations of the earth<<>>all the nations of the earth<<>>all the nations of the earth<<>>Egypt my people,<<>>Assyria the work of my hands,<<< and Israel mine inheritance.

        There is overwhelming evidence you are wrong. You are making an unrighteous interpretation up of the Scriptures which do not require it, nor should anyone follow the Scriptures if they taught the wickedness you are proposing. Even the Scriptures say God is not a respecter of persons. God doesn't play favorites in an unrighteous way.

        Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
        Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
        Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

        Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

      • For some reason all my comment was ruined. REDO:

        What you do not understand is that Yeshua was to first proclaim the Good News only to Israel, mainly the House of Judah in the Land of Judea. His mission to the Gentiles was to happen after he was rejected by the majority of his people in the Land and be crucified. It was then that after that he would draw all men to himself.

        Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

        It was prophesied in the Prophets and the Law that the Gospel of Salvation was to be extended to all Gentiles:

        Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

        Amo 9:12 that the remnant of men, and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called, may earnestly seek me, saith the Lord who does all these things. (LXX version as quoted in the NT)

        Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
        Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
        Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
        Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
        Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
        Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
        Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
        Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

        Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

        Isa 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
        Isa 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
        Isa 19:20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
        Isa 19:21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
        Isa 19:22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
        Isa 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
        Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
        Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

        Gen_18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

        Gen_22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

        Gen_26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

        There is overwhelming evidence you are wrong. You are making an unrighteous interpretation up of the Scriptures which do not require it, nor should anyone follow the Scriptures if they taught the wickedness you are proposing. Even the Scriptures say God is not a respecter of persons. God doesn’t play favorites in an unrighteous way.

        Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
        Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
        Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

        Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

      • keruxreplies says:

        This teaching goes against everything you’ve been taught and everything you see around you, doesn’t it?

        What you don’t understand is that the word Gentile doesn’t belong in Scripture. It is a mis-translation. I deal with this fact at length here: http://keruxreplies.blogspot.com/2014/10/reply-to-errors-of-christian-identity.html
        Clifton Emahiser deals with it at length here: http://emahiser.christogenea.org/misapplication-biblical-term-%E2%80%9Cgentile%E2%80%9D.

        You need to refute the arguments presented in those two briefs, before you are going to get clarification on the subject. Don’t ignore them, as they are crucial to understanding the subject at hand.

        Next, you don’t understand that there are two groups of Israelites involved. The first were still in Judaea/Judah at the time of Christ. They are the Israelites that received the gospel first. It was some of this group, as you say, that rejected Christ, but they were Israelites, “He came unto his own, and his own received him not.” Please refer to Deut. 7:6: For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Get that? “above all the people that are upon the face of the earth.” It’s plain and clear as can be. So is this statement made by Christ Himself: “I have NOT come but for the lost sheep of the house – family – descendants – of Jacob/Israel.” No other people are mentioned. We also have “I am the God of thy Father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob/Israel.” You will not find any reference where God says “I am the God of the Asian Race, or the God of the Black Race. Not, it’s ONLY the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This is a fact.

        My second witness is found in Matthew 15. The Syrophenician woman is ignored by the disciples and Christ and He calls her a “dog.” She agrees but argues that even dogs get the CHILDREN’S crumbs that fall from the Master’s table. Why such a low position, if she is to receive the gospel equally with the Israelites? Why don’t the disciples and Christ spend time with her like He did with the woman at the well in John 4? You need to answer this question. She says, “our father Jacob/Israel gave us this well.” Clearly indicating that she is an Israelite. One woman is a non-Israelite, a “dog” (Christ’s word), and she gets crumbs; the other woman is an Israelite and she is offered water that he gives, “a well of water springing up to everlasting life.” What is the difference between these two woman? The answer is, the woman in Mt. 15 is not an Israelite and the woman in John 4 is. How much plainer does it have to be?

        The second group of Israelites are those who are not in Judea at the time. They are the dispersed Israelites, often erroneously labeled “Gentiles” when they should be called “nations” or those people of the same ethnos of those in Judea. That is what the word translated Gentiles means, ethnos, or a group of people of similar DNA.
        These scattered Israelites left Judea during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities, and unlike those Israelites of Ezra and Nehemiah’s time, did not return to Judah. These are the “sheep not of this fold,” that Christ said he must bring with them also, so there would be “one flock,” in John 10:16.

        Many Israelites left Egypt before the Exodus. You know that don’t you? If you don’t, I suggest you study, like I have, these maps and papers found here: http://www.artisanpublishers.com/lost-tribes-israel-study-maps-maps-each-with-text-describing-migrations-detailed-each-p-25843.html They detail the migrations of the tribes of Israel who left Egypt before the giving of the law to Moses and the other Israelites at Mt. Sinai. If you don’t understand these migrations, you won’t understand Galatians, Romans and many other books of Paul as he was the apostle to the nations, the ethnos, not Gentiles.

        Then we have the wedding feast of Matthew 22. “10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

        The man in the parable was not planning to attend a wedding that day. Correct? The answer is no, he had no idea he was going to attend a wedding. So, why does the king expect him to be dressed in a particular wedding garment? Why does the king deal harshly with the in-appropriately dressed guest, when he had no idea he was going to attend a wedding party of the king and was therefore not dressed in a wedding garment? Isn’t this unreasonable of the King who is obviously representing Christ here in the parable? I suggest the man was of the wrong skin color. Yes, it is a racial qualification. He lacked the correct “wedding garment” and that is why he was bound hand and foot and cast out.

        You need to answer these questions and not just cut and paste a number of verses taken out of context thinking you have an argument, especially when you keep posting verses with the word Gentile in them.

        The burden of proof is on you to come up with a better explanation. I think my explanations are the only ones that makes sense, even though they are unpopular and rejected by most. The God of Scripture is Racial. Get over it.

        Another witness I have is James 1:1. James’ epistle is written to the “twelve tribes (of Israel) scattered abroad.” And we have Peter’s “sojourners scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappodocia, Asia and Bythynia … elect according to the fore-knowlege of God, the Father …” I Peter 1:1-2. Show us in Scripture, and / or in the early history of the Christian church era, the epistles to non-Israelites. There are NONE. Universalism came into Christian teaching when the Roman Catholic Church was formed. Universalism is a RCC doctrine, not a Scriptural teaching.

        Yet another witness is Revelation 7, where it is the 12 Tribes that are mentioned as the “all nations” in verse 9. Read the entire chapter, in context; verse 7 refers to only the Israelites of the preceeding verses.

        Then we have Kinsman redemption. Look up kinsman in a bible Greek dictionary. You have to be a kinsman to be redeemed by a Kinsman Redeemer. And to redeem something or someone, it had to belong to you previously. Christ came to redeem His People, of Deut. 7:6 and many other verses.

        Don’t take your preconceived ideas into the Scripture to read into them what it is you think you should find. Just take the Scripture for what it says.

        Another problem you have, is you lack an understanding of the historical background of not only Old Testament history, but the Israelite migrations as well. Also, you don’t seem to realize that Scripture was not written in English and the Hebrew and Greek must be studied to overcome the bad translations that lead you to misinterpretations. You know that it is commonly agreed upon that the KJV contains over 25,000 errors, omissions and mis-translations, including the words Gentile and jew, right?

        I think you’ll find, if you proceed with an objective honest approach as you study Scripture, that the Dual Seedline Christian Racial Identity message found here, although it is not the politically correct and universally accepted view, it is, however, the correct view.

      • truescience7 says:

        You are mostly right about the word “gentile.” But are you seriously telling me you cant reason through this? Is there really no other explanation than your carnal doctrine? Or is it maybe that you like this understanding and want it to be true because it appeals so much to the flesh? How old are you? Are you a youth? Or are you a grown man, especially an elder man? Because if you are I am quite saddened that you can’t seem to understand these things better than this. The most probable explanation is probably that your heart is not in the right place when you come to the Word.

        “I think you’ll find, if you proceed with an objective honest approach as you study Scripture, that the Dual Seedline Christian Racial Identity message found here, although it is not the politically correct and universally accepted view, it is, however, the correct view.”

        On the contrary. I think if we do what you see here, we will come to the orthodox understanding pre-Nicea until now. It wasn’t invented by the RCC. That is just crazy.

        Even some of the texts above translated as nation are still clearly according to context referring to non-biological Israelites.

        If you want to discuss this I might be available for an internet call if we can schedule one but if you are not open to being wrong then it probably won’t be fruitful. I can tell you one thing. I’m not open to being wrong because I know I’m right.

        I guess you have just added more work to my list of heresies that have to be addressed. Of course this one is so manifestly false that it is not even close to top priority for me.

        Very sad that people actually believe and teach these things.

      • keruxreplies says:

        I invested quite a bit of time with my reply. I included verses, facts, links to sources, etc, to back up my position. On the other hand, your response was 100% opinion, accusations, ad hominem, with no supporting arguments, other than logical fallacies.

        If you want to take one issue at a time to discuss, I’ll make time, but only for the sake of others who may read the back and forth exchange. You’ve admitted “I can tell you one thing. I’m not open to being wrong because I know I’m right.” So why should I bother otherwise?

        I used to believe as you do, but changed my mind, , that is, I changed my thinking, based upon my studies of the subject. That is the evidence that I am willing to change my mind when shown where I am in error. If you read my headspiece on my mirrored site, http://keruxreplies.blogspot.com/ it reads, I Thessalonians 5:20, 21

        Do not despise expounding of scripture, but scrutinize all things. Hold fast that which is right.

        Pick your first issue and give it your best shot. Keep it brief and to the point, w/o ad hominem, if you want me to engage. Otherwise, I have other things to do rather than cast pearls.

        May I suggest we start here?:

        “Even some of the texts above translated as nation are still clearly according to context referring to non-biological Israelites.”

        Really? Show us one specific text and why you believe as you do.

        Kerux

      • keruxreplies says:

        You didn’t follow my request like I asked,
        so all 10 of your C&P responses were sent to the Trash Spam folder.

        Do that again and I’ll ban your ass.

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